Press Conference: Ukraine Humanitarian and Refugee Response Plans 2025 Launch Event

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Press Conference: Ukraine Humanitarian and Refugee Response Plans 2025 Launch Event

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Story: Ukraine aid appeal – OCHA, UNHCR 16 January 2025

Speakers:

Mr. Tom Fletcher, United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator, head of OCHA
Mr. Filippo Grandi, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Mr. Matthias Schmale, UN Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator in Ukraine

TRT: 03’53”
SOURCE: UNTV CH
LANGUAGE: ENGLISH / NATS
ASPECT RATIO: 16:9
DATELINE: 16 January 2025 - KYIV, UKRAINE + OCHA broll shot 13 & 14 January 2025 + UNHCR broll shot 15 & 16 January 2025

RESTRICTIONS – CREDIT “OCHA” BROLL ON SCREEN + UNHCR broll ON SCREEN.

SHOTLIST

Wide shot, lady with cane walking in frontline town of Bilopilia – UNHCR, 15 January.
Wide shot, factory chimney emitting smoke, Bilopilia – UNHCR, 15 January.
SOUNDBITE (English) Tom Fletcher, UN Emergency Relief Coordinator and head of OCHA: “Our ask, as you'll see of the world, is for 2.6 billion dollars to fund this campaign and to help us to reach six million people.”
Medium, UNHCR chief Filippo Grandi meeting locals in Bilopilia – UNHCR, 15 January.
Close, UNHCR chief Filippo Grandi meeting locals in Bilopilia – UNHCR, 15 January.
SOUNDBITE (English) Filippo Grandi, UN High Commissioner for Refugees: “The objective of course, is not to make sure that these people are refugees forever, the objective is for this to create the conditions for these people to return to Ukraine. This is what Ukraine needs and this is what the majority of the refugees want.”
Wide, UN World Food Programme (WFP) convoy approaching Shevchenkove, Kharkiv region, approximately 30 kilometres from the front line – OCHA, 14 January.
Medium, UN World Food Programme (WFP) truck reversing to depot – OCHA, 14 January.
Medium, aid workers offloading supplies at a Ukrainian depot – OCHA, 14 January.
SOUNDBITE (English) Matthias Schmale, UN Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator in Ukraine: “Inevitably, a big part of the needs are along the frontline and we are supporting in particular people who have chosen to stay near the frontline and amongst those, particularly people with disabilities and older people who find it difficult to move.”
Medium, UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher and UN Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator in Ukraine, Matthias Schmale, accompanying the UN aid convoy – OCHA, 14 January.
Medium, UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher at a Ukrainian food depot – OCHA, 14 January.
SOUNDBITE (English) Tom Fletcher, UN Emergency Relief Coordinator and head of OCHA: “We must not forget those Ukrainians who are in the occupied territories whose needs are extreme. And we must continue to be creative and brave about getting our support to those who most need it.”
Tracking shot of destruction in Kupiansk town, Ukraine, OCHA 14 January.
SOUNDBITE (English) Filippo Grandi, UN High Commissioner for Refugees: “Almost everybody has no - or very few people - have access to heating in the bitter cold. You know, I have observed all these years the conflict evolved, but I have to say this targeting by the Russian Federation of energy infrastructure, which is of course, affecting civilian lives directly, is something that has to stop.”
Wide, UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher with Andrii Kanashevych, Head of Kupianskyi District, walking in Kupiansk Town, with UN Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator in Ukraine, Matthias Schmale, OCHA 14 January.
SOUNDBITE (English) Tom Fletcher, UN Emergency Relief Coordinator and head of OCHA: “The Ukrainian people have shown incredible courage over these years. And we have to respond by showing a real, genuine, sustained international engagement, we have to respond with heart. And when I say sustained, I mean that we will be here with the Ukrainian people for as long as it takes to meet these needs and to support them in this moment.”
Medium, UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher visiting a damaged apartment in Kupiansk town, OCHA 14 January.
Medium, UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher in a damaged apartment belonging to Svitlana in Kupiansk town, OCHA 14 January.
Medium-wide, damage to Svitlana’s apartment in Kupiansk town, OCHA 14 January.
Wide, UNHCR chief Filippo Grandi and UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher meeting Ukrainian officials, Biliopia, UNHCR 15 January.
Medium, UNHCR chief Filippo Grandi and UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher meeting Ukrainian officials, Biliopia, UNHCR 15 January.
Medium-wide, UNHCR chief Filippo Grandi and UN Emergency Relief Chief Tom Fletcher meeting Ukrainian officials, Biliopia, UNHCR 15 January.

UN stands with people of Ukraine for the long term insists UN aid chief at humanitarian appeal launch in Kyiv

The embattled people of Ukraine and those forced abroad need $3.32 billion in lifesaving and sustained humanitarian assistance to help them cope as a fourth year of war looms after Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022, UN aid chiefs said on Thursday.

In a joint appeal from Kyiv, the UN’s emergency relief chief Tom Fletcher and Filippo Grandi, UN High Commissioner for Refugees, said that millions of civilians inside Ukraine and abroad depend on the international community’s support, amid ongoing Russian attacks.

“The Ukrainian people have shown incredible courage over these years and we have to respond by showing a real, genuine, sustained international engagement, we have to respond with heart,” said Mr. Fletcher. “We will be here with the Ukrainian people for as long as it takes to meet these needs and to support them…We must not forget those Ukrainians who are in the occupied territories whose needs are extreme. And we must continue to be creative and brave about getting our support to those who most need it.”

The appeals are designed to support critical assistance to some six million people inside Ukraine - where overall needs are more than twice that number - and abroad, where more than 6.8 million Ukrainian refugees live. Out of the overall appeal, $2.62 billion is designated for response teams inside the country, while UNHCR has requested $690 million in 2025 and $1.2 billion for 2025-2026 to assist governments hosting refugees in 11 countries.

“The objective, of course, is not to make sure that these people are refugees forever,” said Filippo Grandi, UN High Commissioner for Refugees. “The objective is for this to create the conditions for these people to return to Ukraine. This is what Ukraine needs and this is what the majority of the refugees want.”

Speaking to journalists on his sixth visit to Ukraine, the refugee agency chief highlighted the unrelenting impact of bomb blasts on the front line, day in, day out. Communities on the front line continue to suffer destruction and deprivation in the cold of winter, he said.

“Here, Kyiv is a big city, but when you go out there in a small town, you see how people’s lives are completely devastated; almost everybody had to leave their houses. And almost everybody has no or very few people have access to heating in the bitter cold. You know, I have observed all these years the conflict evolved, but I have to say this targeting by the Russian Federation of energy infrastructure, which is, of course, affecting civilian lives directly, is something that has to stop.”

Matthias Schmale, UN Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator in Ukraine, emphasized that national NGO partners and the UN continue to deliver aid and evacuate the most vulnerable individuals, wherever access allows: “Inevitably, a big part of the needs are along the frontline,” he said. “We are supporting in particular people who have chosen to stay near the frontline and amongst those, particularly people with disabilities and older people who find it difficult to move.”

Teleprompter

Good afternoon everyone who have come here to our press conference today in Kiev and welcome also to those who are joining online on the on the webcast.

We have with us today some speakers to know a lot about Ukraine.

I have here to my left Under Secretary General and Emergency Relief Coordinator Tom Fletcher, to his left, the United Nations **** Commissioner for Refugees, Filippo Grande.

We also have with us the Regional Director for Europe from UNHCR, Mr Philippe Leclerc.

And to my far left we have the United Nations Resident Coordinator and Humanitarian Coordinator here in Ukraine, Matthias Schmale.

Mr Fletcher and **** Commissioner Grande will give some introductory remarks and then we will go straight to your questions.

After that, we will take one question at a time to make it easier, and please introduce yourself when you when you ask your question and to whom your question is addressed.

But now, first, let me give the floor to Mr Fletcher.

Well, thank you, handsome.

[Other language spoken]

Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for for being here as we prepare to launch the 2025 Action Plan.

This is our blueprint for support to the Ukrainian people in the coming year.

It recognises that these needs are great and that we must be here at the side of the Ukrainian people as they respond to the consequences of a devastating war.

Now, unlike my friend and colleague Filippo, this is my first visit to Ukraine as USG, and it was important for me to get straight to the front lines to really see the impact of the war on Ukrainian communities who are fleeing the conflict.

And so I've been to Zaparisia, I've been to Nipro, Pablokhrad, Porovsk, Shivchenko, Kupiansk, Kharkiv, and now I'm concluding almost a week in Ukraine, here in Kiev.

And what I've seen out in Eastern Ukraine are a number of things.

I've seen the importance to our work of this very, very close, unique partnership with the authorities in working out how to deliver humanitarian assistance.

I've seen our extraordinary partnership with Ukrainian NGOs.

It is those NGOs who are leading the humanitarian work here, and I pay tribute to the humanitarian workers who I've met up and down the country.

They are heroes of this effort and they are making Ukraine a humanitarian superpower.

I also pay tribute to the local communities that I met on my travels.

And I'm reminded of the head teacher of an underground school that I visited in Dinipro who taught me the Ukrainian word toloka.

She described it as the way that a community rallies round in times of trouble, supports each other.

And that's what is happening here in Ukraine, even as we approach this third anniversary of this phase of the war.

And it is what we are now asking for from the international community.

The Ukrainian people have shown incredible courage over these years.

And we have to respond by showing a real, genuine, sustained international engagement.

We have to respond with heart.

And when I say sustained, I mean that we will be here with the Ukrainian people for as long as it takes to meet these needs and to support them in this moment.

Now, our plans, and I do encourage you to read the the plan, our plans are of course practical.

They're concrete.

They are based on efficiency, prioritisation, work done with our local partners to identify the specific needs that Ukrainians have and respond to those needs.

Our ask, as you'll see of the world, is for $2.6 billion to fund this campaign and to help us to reach 6 million people.

And my friend and colleague, the **** Commissioner will will speak more about the work that we're doing on displaced and on refugees as part of that plan.

You know, for us, we're dealing with a a tough funding environment globally.

I'm looking for 47 billion, we're looking for 47 billion for the humanitarian community to support 190 million people globally.

And we're doing that in an environment where humanitarians are underfunded, overstretched, and here and in many parts of the world, literally under attack.

Last year was the hardest year on record to be humanitarian.

But we are determined not to lose our sense of mission, our sense of purpose.

We're determined to stay and deliver for those in the direst need across the world, and of course, including here in Ukraine.

The capacity here is incredibly strong.

The Ukrainian NGO movement, Ukrainian civil society, is building a real long term legacy of wisdom and experience and delivery on the front lines of this humanitarian effort.

And there will be a time, I believe, when Ukraine will go from being an importer of humanitarian support to being an exporter of that humanitarian support on the front lines of the global effort across the world.

But first, we have these immediate priorities that are set out in this plan.

They give us a road map for delivering the support, the support that our partners have told us that they need to get that job done to save lives, which is our bottom line.

We need this plan funded.

And that is our call today to our international partners.

We need peace and so we support the efforts towards adjust peace and let me be clear that we will stay as long as it takes.

[Other language spoken]

You very much Mr Fletcher.

We'll now turn to **** Commissioner Grandy.

[Other language spoken]

Thanks Tom and good afternoon everybody.

As Tom said, this is not my first visit.

I've come here actually several times since the beginning of the full scale invasion.

This is my 6th visit to Ukraine.

And but I think both the fact that I have come many times, Tom has just started his job, one should say.

So he has plenty of time to come again.

But I think the fact that we're here together at the same time, the leader of the UN humanitarian system, Mr Fletcher and myself, the leader of one of the large humanitarian organisations of the UN, is a very, is meant to be a very strong signal of support on the part of the UN to the people of Ukraine.

Within, of course, the limits and the constraints that we that were described by the Under Secretary.

Like him, I have also used, as I did before my visit, to travel through some of the frontline locations in Kharkiv.

And I was actually in Sumi and in Bilopilia yesterday, right at the border and the very near the front line.

It's about 10 kilometres from the front line.

And as as Tom already said, you know, you see really two things in these visits, as you know very well, you see incredible and outrageous devastation, including of civilian infrastructure and of energy infrastructure.

And then you see incredible strength of the people to once again, third consecutive winter of full scale war, a lot of resilience.

So both the crisis and the strength need support.

You know, you need to respond, help people respond to the crisis and you need to help them stay strong through this difficult time.

I, I was here last time, last July.

At that time, I remember I told the President Zelensky that UNHCR, my organisation, was able to already back then mobilise $100 million for the winter effort, especially the heating effort.

I'm glad that we were able to do that.

We mobilised those resources.

I saw myself the result of of those that mobilisation, which is an example of what the UN and its partners, NGOs, most of whom are Ukrainian NGOs, are able to do when they have resources.

This is not big infrastructure, this is not the big hardware that other donors can provide, but this is really what can make the difference in the lives of the people buying wood for the winter with the cash that is given.

Thousands of people are are doing this, are doing this.

And This is why it is so important.

These appeals, these calls to action that we are launching today are very important because when you, you know, when you're outside Ukraine, you hear a lot about Ukraine.

But it's always about military, it's about budget support, big infrastructure.

These are all crucial issues.

But we should not forget the people and their suffering.

And this is what these appeals are meant.

These are the those that these appeals are meant to help.

Tom spoke about the big central part of what we launched today, the humanitarian response plan.

I think that's the right word.

[Other language spoken]

I just want to remind you that we are launching another appeal.

We call it the refugee Response plan.

Remember, there are still almost 7 million Ukrainian refugees outside the the country.

This particular appeal is not covering all the countries that host refugees because in most countries national, the national governments of those countries are able to cover the support to Ukrainian refugees.

But it is an appeal meant to help governments hosting refugees in 11 countries.

[Other language spoken]

So that is what we're launching today.

Countries like Poland that is still one of the biggest hosts, Moldova, where I will be tomorrow, which is a country that really needs extra support from the international community.

So we are very grateful for what all governments hosting refugees, these eleven countries and others have done to include them, to give them access to health services, to education, to the labour market.

But of course the we are about to enter the fourth year of this hospitality and it is important that this generosity continues.

Now I have to also say this is the third time I think we launched A refugee response plan in 2023.

It was worth, this was a few months after the beginning of the Russian attack and we called, we asked for $1.7 billion.

That was about 40% funded, so not enormously, but almost half funded.

Let's say the last last year, 2024, we reduced because of course people were more included and more supported.

We asked for 1.1 billion.

This year we are asking for less, we're asking for 1.2 billion.

But for two years, this is an appeal for two consecutive years because governments prefer to have a two year horizon.

So in fact it's about half the money that we asked last year.

Why is this one is?

Because in those countries the support is already is made more available to other sources.

Many people have jobs, they need less help.

But also because we want to focus our effort inside Ukraine, which is the priority at the at the moment.

Just a couple of words on this refugee appeal.

This is not just UNHCR, this is UNHR and many partners, about 250 partners, UNNGO partner, many, many local NGOs from these countries, many NGOs led by Ukrainian refugees themselves.

We work increasingly and it is about legal issues, protection issues.

It's about inclusion in services, it's about social cohesion, you know, addressing the issue of relationship between Ukrainians and the communities hosting them.

It is about empowering this civil society organisations.

Final point I want to make and you know Tom and I discussed this at length this morning with the Prime Minister in a very constructive meeting that we we had a few hours ago.

The objective, of course, is not to make sure that these people are refugees forever.

The objective is for this to create the conditions for these people to return to Ukraine.

This is what Ukraine needs and this is what the majority of the refugees want.

According to our surveys, 61% of the refugees.

This is seems low.

It's not that low.

61% want to return to Ukraine as soon basically as security permits.

But then we will have to address and we have to start addressing now in Ukraine in relation to refugees, housing issues, employment issue.

I had a very useful meeting with the Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of the Economy this morning, because we want to support the government programmes to create conditions for more employment skill, skills programme, creation of jobs and so forth.

And of course, we work with other parts of the government on the housing.

This is now part, this is of course, part of the plan that Tom explained.

So you can see how these two plans are very closely related to each other.

And frankly, housing and employment and security are problems common to all Ukrainians, challenges for all Ukrainians.

This is why we need to make sure that this element of future return is included as much, as much as possible.

And finally to say that I think it's also important as we continue here in Ukraine to invest in emergency responses with, you know, Tom described underground schools, materials to protect apartments from the cold, cash distributions.

It's important to really think also in medium and long term provide solutions, for example, housing solutions that are not emergency ones that are to the extent possible permanent for people who want to stay where they are and so forth.

So these are, this is, you know, a complex.

I just want to conclude by saying that the great advantage of this of working here, as Tom said is that we have exceptional cooperation with the government.

In fact, we are following the lead of the government that gives us the priority of Prime Minister was very clear this morning, energy, water, demining, return of refugees, etcetera.

So the priorities are very clear and we agree and we will continue to support also from the humanitarian side.

Thank you very much.

[Other language spoken]

Let's see if there are any questions in the room.

[Other language spoken]

We actually have a question from online because we are followed online from a journalist, Lesia so Lovchuk, sorry if I do not pronounce that correctly.

The question goes as follows.

Who can currently receive support in Ukraine and where do they have to turn?

The question is indicated here for Matthias, who we also have here.

But I, I would say all of you can have a go at it, but Matthias may be for you.

So in broad terms, good afternoon.

First of all, in broad terms, we are aiming to reach 6 million people across the country out of the more than 12 million people that have humanitarian needs.

So we are prioritising the most vulnerable.

This is vulnerability driven and needs driven and our aim is to support people wherever they are.

So it's not geography based, it's vulnerability and needs based.

Inevitably a big part of the needs are along the front line and we are supporting in particular people who have chosen to stay near the front line and amongst those, particularly people with disabilities and older people who find it difficult to to move.

We are supporting people on in evacuations, with evacuations.

And back to the question for evacuations, as the **** Commissioner already said, we're working very closely with government.

So it's coordinated with government that identifies, helps identify the most needy and points us and our partners to those that are most in need.

So an example is Ministry of Social Protection, but also governors at oblast level and heads of Ramadas and Ryons are are the ones that guide us really together with our partners on the ground as to who are the most needy.

We have various access possibilities, but it's mostly decisions in terms of who gets supported get taken as closely as possible to where needy people are.

Thank you very much to the Humanitarian Coordinator.

I want to see if there are any other questions does not seem to be the case as we have a a bit more time.

I just want to give any and all of the panellists the opportunity to give an any additional comments that you would like to convey in this forum.

Maybe I can give you just a few more of the, the facts and figures that you'll find in the report.

You know, as I say, we're looking to, to raise $2.6 billion.

It's a lot of money.

We don't underestimate the support.

We value the support of our, of our donor partners.

But this is because the needs we've described are as great as they are.

And we're conscious, obviously, that the the president, the government are seeking negotiations, seeking ways to try to end this war.

But just because you end a war doesn't mean the needs go away.

And I want to really underline that.

We we want to really underline that we recognise the needs will change.

But even if we get progress, even if we get good news in the in the period ahead, we will still need to be here alongside our Ukrainian partners, supporting the Ukrainian people.

You know, three and a half million people are now displaced as we've been seeing on our on our visits and we've seen too, the attacks on civilian infrastructure, the devastation to people's to people's lives.

I think we would both want to emphasise the disproportionate impact of wars like this on, on women and girls and children who often really bear the brunt of, of conflict, and those with special needs as well, older people.

And just a final thought, which is that as as humanitarians, our job is to try to go anywhere, help anyone who is in need.

And so I also want to mention now that we must not forget those Ukrainians who are in the occupied territories, whose needs are extreme, and we must continue to be creative and brave about getting our support to those who most need it.

So we have a tough job ahead, but it's one it's a challenge that we can meet if we sustain this level of cooperation between our UN family, local authorities and at the superb local partners on the ground who really are heroes of this effort to support the Ukrainian people.

Yes, but we have a question here from Mr Fletcher.

I will try to read what it says.

In 2023 you said that the situation about stability in the world was not good.

COVID Ukraine issues all over the world.

After several months in your position and travelling to many countries, including Ukraine, how has your vision changed?

Yes, I, I think I know the, the speech that refers to the, the point I was making was that COVID, Kabul, Kiev, these, these challenges that the world has experienced, that humans globally have experienced in the last few years, often feel like symptoms of a, of a driverless world.

You know, COVID was a time of social distancing, but also of national distancing.

It should have pulled the world together, but actually the systems for international cooperation became even harder in that.

As we were treated into our national plans, Kabul was a a moment where I think all of us on the humanitarian front lines felt that we were having to retreat from the mission to support those in greatest need.

And of course, the UN has stayed and delivered in Afghanistan.

And Kiev in that context, was also a reminder that while many of us have been feeling in the last two or three decades that the world was moving in a better direction, that we were back to an age of, of hard power and war.

And for me coming into this role, it's been pretty sobering.

It's a, it's a very daunting role.

I think that the, the pessimism I felt about the world when I made that speech has only been borne out by my experience in this job.

You know, I've had to, I've been in Sudan for a week, I've been in Syria for a week.

I've, I've seen the worst of humanity in those situations.

But I'm also optimistic because I've also seen the best of humanity in those situations.

The people who go out towards the sound of gunfire in order to try to stop it, who go out to try and help the survivors of these conflicts.

And I think this is a job that probably takes the edges of your optimism and idealism.

But I know from working with people like Filippo, who's a friend and and mentor, that you also draw strength from the people on the front lines who are who you are there to serve.

And that's what gets me going in the morning when sometimes I feel despair or feel overwhelmed by the challenges.

And that's certainly been my experience here in Ukraine, where I've been listening, listening, listening, learning, learning, learning, and come to the end of this visit just full of admiration and respect and and gratitude for the humanitarians on the front line.

Thank you very much, Tom **** Commissioner.

One or two?

[Other language spoken]

Start finishing where I started.

You know, I told you that what you see in visiting this frontline is a lot of devastation that needs help and a lot of strength that needs help also to remain strong.

[Other language spoken]

Let me tell you, one episode of yesterday, I was in Bilopilia.

For those of you who know, it's a small town just at the border.

I mean, throughout the whole visit, we only heard the noise of war.

And that's what we heard it for two hours.

The people there hear it every day now for three years.

And once again, and sorry, I have to say this once again, I could see how devastating this conflict is because here Kiev is a big city with a but when you go out there in a small town, you see how people's lives are completely devastated.

Almost everybody had to leave their houses and almost everybody has no or very few people have access to heating in the bitter cold.

You know, I have observed all these years the conflict evolved.

But I have to say this targeting by the Russian Federation of Energy Infrastructure, which is of course affecting civilian lives directly, is something that has to stop.

Because yes, we can come and try to help and reconstruct and give people cash.

But this is a major, a major impact on civilian lives.

It directly it is aimed at affecting civilian lives.

And really this is something that I want to put on record yet again after this visit.

On the other hand, let me finish with a more positive note.

You know, we visited a club, it's called Third, Third Age Club Third age, like me, you know, I'm in third age now.

This means people that are not young anymore.

So these are elderly pensioners, some as old as almost 90, older than me, that gather in a special club in Bilopilia and they sing songs and they play chess and they cook food and we were invited to a gathering.

I even had to sing myself, believe it or not.

But why do I say this story?

Because why do I tell this story?

Because that's the strength.

That's elderly people that most likely have seen the Second World War and, you know, are once again going through this terrible experience.

The strength of these people was amazing, Amazing.

[Other language spoken]

That's what these appeals must support is the strength of the Ukrainian people to stay strong in spite of the devastation that is brought to their lives.

Thank you very much.

I Commissioner for for sharing this.

I'm just being handed a, an, another question.

This, I think is one more for you, Fletcher.

[Other language spoken]

It's about financial and cash support in the humanitarian needs and and response plan this year, how people can actually obtain that.

So yes, I mean, cash support is an absolutely central part of the plan and has been an absolutely essential part of the response, particularly over the last three years.

And, you know, I've been struck during this visit that it's one of the exceptional characteristics of an exceptional programme here, that because of the reach of connectivity, because of the existing infrastructure and the relationship, the partnership with the local authorities, we've been able to scale up cash support in a much more significant way than we are able to do anywhere else and to experiment and to innovate.

And there will be lessons that we draw from that work that we can take out to other crisis environments globally.

And so it will be 1 of the the legacies.

You know, this has been a period of huge tragedy and despair and destruction and disruption.

And I don't underestimate that.

But there will also be things that we've learnt collectively about how we deliver in crises and that will be one of the legacies that Ukraine leaves for our crisis response elsewhere.

So cash is an utterly central part of of the response in the next phase.

[Other language spoken]

Thank you very much, **** Commissioner.

Thank you all of you who who came here.

And for those watching online, that concludes our press briefing.

But you're not done yet because in just 20 minutes we have the actual launch of the appeal just next door, which is also webcast and you can watch that on web TV.

Thank you very much.